#sams theory

[nightixx]

sooo I may be overlooking at things right now but hear me outt

After moon's dream/hallucinations or whatever the hell people wanna call this, I noticed a purple smoke (or idk the word but you understand) behind him

And many more thumbnails. We know that in the canon game (security breach), the virus is almost always represented by this color and with those rectangles + the aura. Now I'm not talking about vanny or idk, idc about her cuz this isn't about the canon game rn

I have many thoughts about this, because things happened before that and it could be related.

As I saw on some blogs (I can't find the one who wrote it but I know I've reblogged it), before ruin betrayed them, he said he wanted to infect ruin's virus into his own code to think like him which could be true since he really tried for weeks to think exactly like him and to have his informations. During his day off after his first breakdown after he saw old moon, sun was present the entirety of the episode, which isn't logic at all since it's MOON's day off not an episode of sun bringing food for 15 minutes ? Moon was alone in the house after a breakdown AFTER he tried to think like ruin AFTERR he said he wanted to inject the virus into himself. And strangely after that he started to act all nuts, maybe not just at the second episode but you can tell he went insane quickly, too quickly and it's too suspicious for me.

Back to the thumbnail, you can see thumbnails after thumbnails while scrolling on the channel that his aura gets more purple any time he's showing.

Now if we do the comparaison between ruin and moon reacting to the virus :

The virus accentuated ruin's personality into insanity. As we know, ruin is a melange between sun and moon. So we can say he was playful (sun's side) but with a kill code (moon's side) which made him a dangerous individual. He also lost his objective during the take over. Because yes ruin wanted to venge his friends but in the beginning he had the virus and it distracted him from his objective.

Now if we look at moon. The virus could have accentuated his personality (which makes him worse than old moon) and his goals (protecting his family, bringing solar back etc..). He's also losing his objective which is bringing solar of course. He doesn't know why he's doing it anymore.

I also remember when moon told Monty that he looked in his code and he found nothing. Kinda suspicious to me- he tended to lie back then too. I think he did really check his code to see if the virus was the cause of that. And of course when you add his poor mental state to begin with as he was grieving it doesn't help at all and makes things worse.

Anyways maybe it's my own paranoia talking rn but I just can't accept that all this insanity arc happened by Davis snapping his fingers

[sabrondabrainrot]

Latest EP theory "Moon goes MISSING during his HALLOWEEN PARTY!!!"

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I currently have two theories, mostly on Sun's phone and I'll try to be eloquent but break is only so long and I have limited time!

I've been yelling @ikamigami for long enough on these theories XD but they did help me to refine my rambly ideas.

For starters, for those who haven't seen the ep, to avoid spoiling things for everyone I'm putting the theories under the cut!

Both of my theories are pretty outlandish so take them with a grain of salt, knowing how TSAMS can be, this might just be a straightforward situation where Moon was grabbed and will be used as ransom or bargaining for Sun. However, while I feel that is the course I like to overthink and come to with theories on what else might be going on.

So starting off, my first theory revolves around Sun, Dark Sun, and Sun's phone.

During the party, in my opinion, I think Sun was acting oddly. I propose, it wasn't Sun but instead Dark Sun doing his imposter work. So for starters, Moon leaves to get soda for the party and very shortly after 'Moon' calls 'Sun' to tell him the store is out of soda. Just completely out.

Then Sun, very loudly plays their phone conversation for everyone to hear, which is odd because he went into the other room to take Moon's call but then it got so loud the entire party could hear that Moon was now on his way back, and soda-less. (Kind of odd the store was completely out of sodas?). I will also add Sun abruptly hung up on Moon which seemed very out of character for him.

Furthering this odd behavior, Solar took Dazzle out to trick or treat, which seems innocuous at first but I need to remind everyone up until this episode Sun on record has been too worried and scared to even let Dazzle in the back yard even with Jack's protection. So it's just strange Sun was very.... uncaring? Unbothered? About Dazzle going out, without Jack too. Just with Solar.

Then when Sun met up with Solar later he panicky explained to Solar that Moon said he left the store but he still went there to look for him. The entire time Sun is this immediately scared and stuttering mess. Now, he is worried about Moon but we've seen a much calmer and more mature Sun as of late and I don't think he'd be a stuttering mess.

Now that I've laid the foundation, my idea is, I think Sun has already been grabbed. We've seen recently that Dark Sun, or D!Sun has been more aggressive with his space invasion. He's been coming in and out more and pretending to be Sun blatantly. We had a recent episode where for an indeterminate amount of time D!Sun was pretending to be Sun in their home, around Solar and the kids. Molten was also right there and didn't notice anything. He was full on acting strange and no one questioned it. Dazzle only thought he seemed sad. By the end of the charade, D!Sun just left while asking Solar to call his phone because he couldn't find it.

He gave away the fact their own home isn't safe. Solar knew after calling his Sun that the entire time he was with D!Sun.

Something interesting is the only thing that's so far gotten D!Sun caught when he's pretending to be Sun, is Sun's phone. Forever ago, D!Sun tried visiting Foxy and FC when he was living at his stormy beach house and was immediately caught as not Sun because Foxy was only moments ago texting Sun. While Foxy in particular is observational he would have fallen for the act if not for the prior text messages. Then, later on after the first encounter with Goliath, D!Sun showed up to give advice to, and check up on, Earth and Lunar. The entire exchange would have been innocuous if the real Sun didn't happen to call.

So, keep the timing and Sun's phone in mind.

In today's episode Moon shortly after his strange soda-less run, called Monty and let them know he could not get a hold of Sun, he was apparently trying to call him multiple times. Which, when we find Sun outside not only is the not worried about the missed calls but doesn't even state "I have no missed calls." On top of Monty's call suspiciously cutting off.

Now why would Moon keep trying to call Sun when less than 5 minutes ago he spoke to 'Sun'? I think the first Moon on the phone was actually Nexus pretending to be Moon. He's just not the best at pretending to be Old Moon, so D!Sun hung up before he could give too much away.

The second call I think was Moon, he was trying to get a hold of Sun but due to Sun not being available he called Monty instead. (Reminder, Monty is Moon's go to when he thinks anything might be wrong.) I think Moon calling Monty was not according to plan, him leaving to go to the store was not according to plan. D!Sun maybe sent a signal to Ruin to grab Moon before D!Sun could be caught again. The phone is his immediate give away so D!Sun at this point knows to eliminate that before it can cast suspicion his way.

I think he was at the Halloween party pretending to be Sun as an elaborate distraction scheme. The only people who could stop Sun's kidnapping are Solar and Moon so keeping them unaware something is occurring is the easiest option. However, Moon leaving to grab Soda at the store was very much an unprompted thing. I think this wasn't according to plan. So D!Sun had to improve with Nexus and Ruin.

At the party when D!Sun took the call it was more then likely an exchange of code. How can the store be completely out of Soda? However, if this is Nexus pretending to be Moon, he needed to make up some kind of code. Sun himself may actually be on the run? Nexus might have communicated 'no soda at the soda store' as a means to let D!Sun know Sun isn't secured and to keep stalling. Moments after the actual Moon called and raised suspicion that he couldn't get a hold of Sun, despite 'Sun' being right there at the party. So, I propose, he sent another signal or order to Ruin to grab Moon while on the call to stop Moon from further alerting the others something might be wrong with Sun.

The second part of the plan was probably enacted messily. Plus, a hasty kidnapping plot would buy Nexus enough time to grab and subdue Sun. While that happens, Ruin keeps Moon tucked away somewhere and D!Sun can lead Solar on a literal made up goose chase.

IS this convoluted? Yes. I feel like it's right up a Dark Sun plot though, the guy is a Sun. So, that's my first theory.

My next theory I feel doesn't have as much to it, but it is still solid. I find it a bit more boring? So the way this next theory goes is this, I think what we might be seeing as an audience is the occurrence when two individuals somehow just miss each other at the right moment.

We know Nexus and D!Sun have eyes and ears everywhere, D!Sun was literally able to touch Sun's bed and car. They know everything about their day to day schedules. So it wouldn't be hard to time things in their favor. We saw this recently from Nexus showing up with those drones to talk to Earth in the daycare and Sun at Atlas' study. (They even know where to find that). He also managed to show up and attack Moon while Moon was alone twice. Not to mention isolating Solar twice too.

So with the hyper-vigilance and D!Sun's methodical ways, I think he is orchestrating a trap. I was explaining how strange Sun was acting at the party, and while it is grasping at straws that he's D!Sun, another explanation could be maybe Sun is just stressed? He wants to be a good host to the party. He has a lot of guests to entertain and despite his protectiveness towards Dazzle he trusts Solar to keep her safe.

So with the theory I think the opposite happened, The first person calling Sun was Moon, the store was out of Soda and well....having anything go wrong for a party you planned carefully is stressful. So him snippily hanging up the phone on Moon can be believable, especially since it seemed like Moon was about to start an argument over nothing. Then, while they watch Moon leave the store Nexus called Monty, pretending to be Moon. Nexus just made up a lie about not being able to reach Sun to make Sun and Monty worry that something might be wrong. The only reason Moon would call Sun so much was if he needed help afterall.

Sun, being a good brother obviously would go to the store to see what's wrong. This is when the 'just missed each other' idea comes in. I'm thinking Moon left in advanced and Nexus summoned Sun with the false call, to lure him and hopefully Solar, away from the party and group. With how the timing should go down, Sun shows up to the store when Moon arrives back home to the party. Nexus probably made sure to time it so Sun and Solar would be in the same spot so he could lure them far away in a short amount of time. I think the kidnapping note is a red herring to lead them to a trap. What is the trap? No idea. Nexus is showing that he in particular wants Sun, Solar, and Earth to join him. He's offered a spot by his side to all three. Sun and Solar are right now together in an undisclosed location. It would be interesting to see if Earth is also lured away too.

To me, this theory is a lot more...boring? I think it also holds a bit of water. Let me know what you all think! Which theory did you like more?

[zuxver]

All that rambling made me want to make art.

Context: I have a theory that Moon will be the cause of Sun's death. (If you're up to date, you know why 😬)

[mr-mischievous]

Okay. I have stuff I want to let out because something has been stressing me out about todays recent episodes.

I still believe Bm will get a redemption.

I'm stressing over this really bad, and I know for a fact I might not be right but since the recent episode where Frank warns Bloodmoon, its very clear that the twins will be separated. Now the thing about the Twins is that they are very dependent on each other. If they were to be separated, they'd lose their minds. In the recent Episode of Sun and moon playing chapter 3 of "Weird Strict Dad" where Moon says he's more likely to forgive Bloodmoon after a certain point in a game, it raised my hopes that if the twins were to be separated, one of the twins would freak out and go to one of the only other people who tried giving them a chance before. Sun and Moon. I feel like he would beg for help, which I know sounds odd- but without the crazy twins (the one voice acted by TheInvisibleDavis-) other half, who literally helps him make decisions before they act on things, he'd rush to ideas and would run to them for help. At least I pray what happens. Though, if they were to help the twins would Frank be seen as a slight bad guy? I don't know but I was freaking out, so I wanted to rant about this topic.

[ikamigami]

So it turned out that my first thought was true.. that Nexus doesn't want to hurt Sun..

He doesn't know that Creator tortures Sun.. I bet anyway..

I hope that cause soon Nexus will meet with Solar that it won't be pretty >:)c (I wonder what plans Dark Sun has for Solar)

But he definitely doesn't seem happy that Solar is back.. that Eclipse was right again lmao xD

And what Dark Sun was telling you, Nexus :D

Also Nexus can try to deny that he doesn't care about Sun.. but his obvious contempt shows that he indeed cares..

Also Nexus is interested in negative energy.. hmmm I have a feeling that he went cuckoo because of one of those negative beings.. like someone theorized but I don't remember who sorry 😅

Dark Sun really doesn't like unnecessary violence and murder.. which isn't that surprising tbh..

Ruin deserves the situation he's in.. cause maybe it'll give him a lot to think about..

And now here is my wild theory: Nexus is still doing whatever he's doing to protect Sun.. he said that they'll - celestial family - die anyway.. but I just find it to be a facade that he doesn't care anymore and all that stuff.. or maybe not facade but he might be in denial.. and this is my second theory:

Nexus wants to be powerful so he wouldn't fail anymore.. and it's still related with his obsession to keep Sun alive but he either just is blinded by the promises of power.. or he doesn't realize that this is what will kill Sun..

I still think that it's somewhat related to his obsession over Sun dying..

I might be wrong but other things wouldn't make much sense.. at least to me..

[evilyn-is-gay]

Something I realized about Solar’s death;

It directly parallels his dimension

Ours:

1. Sun was probably gonna die

2. Solar died

Solar’s:

1. Solar was probably gonna die

2. Sun died

And now that I say that… god… what if Moon reacts so similarly to Solar’s Moon that it’s the same thing..?

[croissantlover24]

Third-Person Bias

For a while, I have seen posts defending both Earth and Nexus and understood both sides. I didn’t really know where I stood on this issue as a Nexus fan myself. However, recently, I looked back at a few of the posts defending Nexus and realized they were being unfair to Earth. This is where I believe the fandom has a sort of third-person bias.

Before New Moon changed his name, we, the viewers, saw his slow descent into madness. We saw how Solar’s death affected him; how it changed his mindset. Did Earth? Did New Moon tell Earth that he wasn’t doing well? No, he didn’t. During one of the therapy episodes, he told Earth he was doing fine. He lied to Earth about his mental state. Earth couldn’t have known what he was going through like we did because she doesn’t watch the show.

I believe some of us Nexus fans (myself included) have a tendency to be upset at the family for disowning Nexus so quickly. I think this is where we have a sort of bias because we see things from the third person—we see everyone’s views—while the characters don’t. The characters see from only their own perspective. With the Earth Q&A episode, I began to try and see things more by Earth’s side. And I think she was right. I implore you to take a moment and think as if you are Earth. You told your brother that you were there for him if he needed someone to talk to. He told you he was fine. You did not know just how awful his mental state was until he threw your insecurities back at you. And then he said you were simply collateral damage. In this situation, Earth is rightfully upset.

Another argument for the Nexus fans, however, is that the family would have noticed just how out of character he was acting. I think this is another area where we have a third-person bias, but for a different reason. We aren’t feeling the emotions they are. We aren’t feeling betrayal or sadness. Those kinds of emotions can cloud a person’s judgement, causing them to not really notice whether their actions are normal or not; causing them to not really notice if the people around them are acting as they should. We haven’t just been almost killed by our brother, but Earth has. All kinds of emotions would logically be clouding her judgement right now.

In conclusion, I believe that, as the viewers, we tend to judge characters by what we see. We don’t often try to imagine what they see; what emotions are plaguing their typically clear judgement. Because of this, we often have a sort of bias against characters without really thinking what they’re going through. Please note that this is not an attack against Nexus fans. I am one myself. This is just a possible explanation (please note, not an excuse, just an explanation) for why the characters act the way they do and why they disowned Nexus so swiftly, specifically Earth.

Feel free to elaborate on my thoughts or add on your own. Thank you for reading. :)

[thorns-and-rosewings]

Okay so it's theory time...

I think that Eclipse is going to try and bring back Solar via magic means. He's clearly up to something and it's not initially clear what. But if Moon cannot figure out how to undo Solars dimensional collapse via scientific means, magical means might be the only shot they have with that.

But my inner alchemist is saying that to do that he'd need a sacrifice.

One life for a life. He'd probably offer himself up with the full intention of dying. I think one thing that we can say is that Eclipse DOES care. And probably more than that he knows he isn't wanted, the universe is happier place without him. Puppet even said that exact thing to him recently.

But it would be something that would make all of the Celestial family see him differently. As he really is just a sad, lonely soul who never got the help he desperately needed... And as Ruin has said today, he's essentially a photocopy of Eclipse. He isn't the real one and that's gotta hurt like hell to know.

But... I don't think HE'S going to be the one who dies...

I think that right before the sacrifice he is ready to make, Frank will step in and exchange Eclipse for someone else...

I think he will put in one of the Bloodtwins...

Now I fully believe that Stitchwraith is going to separate the twins, yes, but separation doesn't mean death... But Frank has a score to settle. So however the twins are separated, Frank will do Frank things and obtain the captured Bloodtwin. To which he sacrifices in order to bring back Solar, but also give Eclipse a genuine chance to change and have a life. As everyone will have seen that there was something in him that was willing to die to bring back the one they all loved.

It gives Frank the ability to right a wrong. As Bloodmoon killed his lover, but now one of them will be used to resurrect someone who was taken from his family too soon...

This will be incredibly bad news for Bloodmoon, but an interesting route things could take for the rest of the show.

A life for a life...

[inkyucu]

Alright, so I told some other people about this idea already, but I wanted to talk about it over here too

It's a lil bit of a weird idea that I thought of recently

What if Sun is slowly losing his emotions?

Now, I know its kinda weird, but hear me out for a moment

Think about the beginning of the show Sun, Sun now, and Dark Sun

Dark Sun has said multiple times that he used to be like how Sun is now, implying that Dark Sun would be a future version of Sun. Something I've just thought about is how over time he just seems to be getting less emotional

It also would kinda make sense, considering all Sun has gone through

Idk, it's just a random idea/theory

[skylarmoon69]

IDEA!!!!

What if Dazzle talked to Rez's beast? Would it recognize her and surrender? Would it be tame?

Think about it, Rez's beast is Dazzle's old body, so what if she's the only one who can tame it and get it on their side. I know that it's a dark star thing, but what if Dazzle can make it good?

If Dazzle managed to tame Rez's beast, then they could use it against him.

[the-library-of-theories]

Maybe Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

So… something sparked in me when watching the recent video. If sources are correct, the creators aren’t going to kill Sun. Sun won’t die. But I see an old quote slowly coming true.

‘What I mean will be at the end of this theory.

Let’s go through some stuff to make this more understandable.

We all know that the only “original” person here is Sun. He hasn’t died, remade (aside from fixing/transferring after blasting Eclipse), or was reprogrammed. He’s our Sun. Our traumatized sunny boi.

But that’s just it. He’s has so much memories. He is the only original and now? He’s gaining some super powerful magic. He was once able to control Star power. Now… he can sense the wither crystals.

These wither crystals are going to be very important in my theory as we know that it can slowly corrupt anyone who holds them long enough… yet Sun was somewhat unaffected by the corruption. But you know what actually affected him?

The wither dragon.

It caused him to go in a trance. Something that the other wither shards haven’t done to him. What makes matters worse is that Dark Sun had mentioned before that a lot of the things he’s done was for our Sun. But why? Why our Sun? What makes our Sun so special for him to do what he’s doing? Why is it so important that even the creator wants Sun?

Why?

Well before stating the theory, let’s talk a little bit of science.

We all know that the Sun is basically a large STAR. It’s what the Moon (Lunar) needs to shine, it’s what Earth needs to survive, it’s half of what Eclipse (Solar) is. It, itself, is powerful to supply life. In a way, the Sun is powerful enough to produce life.

But what happens if a star dies?

Well there are two possibilities that come to mind.

One you have the dead star or zombie star, which are remnants of what was the star before it died. Which is foreboding in itself. But we can deduce this as not a possible senerio as we know the creators confirmed that Sun won’t die (unless info changed).

So what is the other possibility?

Well, if a Sun/star were to collapse in on itself…

It is said that is how a

BLACK HOLE is made.

Ironically enough, should you know what a black hole does… then perhaps you should know what it could resemble in Sun and Moon show terms…

BLACK HOLE = WITHER STORM

So here’s the theory part.

Sun will become a black hole.

An embodiment of a wither storm. We all said that Sun has the most trauma. We all said he’s been alive since the beginning. And we know that the creators said Sun won’t die.

But he won’t die. Rather he has a fate worse than death. To quote a infamous quote:

“You either die a hero or live long enough to be a villain.”

Back to the saying: Sun won’t die, but “Sun will die.”

Our Sun will eventually become the villain. His current self will “die”.

But he won’t die exactly. Ever wonder why there are wither crystals?

Well, when a black hole is formed, the star itself will burst into what is called a supernova. Shooting remnants of the once living star out to space. So in a sense, Sun’s self will be blasted into various parts of space. So while he is “dead”, he isn’t dead. Rather I see this as both a chance for his family to bring their loved one back together and for Sun to do some reflecting. I also see this as a possibility where Dazzle may also play a key part in helping bring Sun back, but how? I ain’t exactly sure but call it a feeling.

As for last pointers, I would think they will call corrupted Black Hole Sun one of these names and why:

Dark Star = first name before Black Hole

Supernova Void = fancy word

Stellar void = fancy

Void Sun = just because.

[gummysunnybear]

y'all hear me out...

Johnathan came back as sun- like his spirit went into sun seeing as how suns close to moon and is just sitting there waiting to finally take control to see moon again ;3

[h-didanart]

Saw the SAMS thumbnail

Not full up to date

Haven’t seen that episode

Uploaded like ten minutes ago

Can’t see the title all the way

Immediately got a prediction

They will try to kill Moon off but Sun will get in the way. Sun will die protecting Moon. They have shown us Moon not caring about his family for a while, they have seemingly shown Sun really not liking of Monty and Foxy’s plan. They are showing us when they first separated today.

Someone is going to die.

And it will be Sun

[ikamigami]

I realized that some of thumbnails might be a foreshadowing 🫢

So remember when I was right that sams minecraft episodes with heroes skins with thumbnail with Sun being Iron Man and Moon being Spiderman was a foreshadowing to Sun being a conduit for star's power.. cause you know Sun did Iron Man's thing..

And now I had a theory that maybe a thumbnail from when Sun and Moon met Ruin's Creator is a foreshadowing of Creator changing something in New Moon's code..

So.. and here's the best part, remember those amazing thumbnails made by an artist (I don't remember their name QwQ) to HW2 gameplay?

The last thumbnail was Sun with sword from Princess Quest.. the one Princess was fighting the glitch with.. and remember who Sun had to defeat? That's right, Moon. But from the thumbnail we can guess that Sun defeated a virus.. because Moon was laying unconscious.. not dead.

So what if Sun will save New Moon from a virus or whatever Creator put in him (or whoever that was, my bet is Creator but I might be wrong)? What if Sun won't kill New Moon but will save him?

Sun won't become a Dark Sun 2.0.. he'll be a hero who will save Moon..

Or I hope so.. but this is my theory about these thumbnails ^^

[lunar-cyn]

I have the optimal solution to how to get Solar back

Kill that weird Santa guy.

[evilyn-is-gay]

Is Jonathon that kid he burnt the house down of

Yk

His friend

Who he killed

…

Well that’s depressing